combi weapons

[Barrakus]

Fellow Warsmiths and Lords, since power fists don't allow an extra attack like they used to I've been switching a lot of my fist wielding champs over to combi weapons, especially combi meltas since it gives a nice anti tank ability. but I have a problem. What does a combi plasma count as? Does the combi weapon count as a plasma pistol or gun? The difference is huge since if it's a pistol my boy could assault after using it, but if it's not then I could rapid fire it. so which is it?

[Dreachon]

It counts as a plasmagun, I believe this is mentioned in the codex under the combi-weapons

[Xephan]

Terminators, bikes and jump packs have the special rule rentless, ala the 5th edition book allowing them to rapid fire and assult. So ur good to go plasma guns blazeing.

[KingOfFools]

chaos terminators don't have the relentless special rule, only loyalist termis from the new codex have it, which means chaos termis can't fire rapid fire weapons at 24" while moving. They however can still fire them at 12" and still charge afterwards.

But my recent thoughts on the combi melta were as follows:
If I give a champ a pp, I pay pretty much and he is in danger of cooking himself. in addition, how many times will he probably use the plasma shot per game, once or maybe twice. This led me to the conclusion that a combi melta is much better for him than a PP, because

- it's cheaper
- it is a real danger to armour
- it can cause instant death
- it better than plasma
- the champ can still assault.

[Barrakus]

thanks for clearing up the plasma gun/plasm pistol thing, King of Fools is right, combi meltas are definitly the way to go, especially with power fist wielders since they aren't losing an extra hand to hand attack.

[KingOfFools]

CSM Champions never lose the extra attack, because they always have the bolt pistol, so if you take the power weapon and combi melta, you still get 4 attacks on the charge.

[BurnArt the Ravenbane]

With power fists you only get additional attack if the other weapon is also a power fist. Same as it was with lightning claws in previous edition.

[KingOfFools]

you are absolutely correct, I meant it only for power weapons. I didn't make myself clear, sorry.

[mercer]

I would go combi flamer to ensure I hit that shot and better for assault

[BurnArt the Ravenbane]

I prefer plasma pistol than a combi melta on an Aspiring Champion beacause I always try to use my forces one the task they're fit to, leaving other tasks to units are meant to be used. Therefore my Champions in close combat units use plasma pistols, which are multi use and for their intended targets (infantry and heavy infantry, usualy loyalist Astartes) are as deadly as melta.

The only unit on which I use combi-meltas are my terminators, and every single one of them has one. They are always a multi purpose unit in my army, expensive but heave to deal with anyghing they encouter fast. Hence half has lightning claws, half has powerfists and each one has a combi-melta.

[Barrakus]

I usually have set roles for my units as well and most of my champs have power weapons and plasma pistols, the units that I assign power fists to are generally my tank hunters, so the combi melta makes more sense for them. I'm thinking very heavy on equiping my termies with combi plasma guns, a squad of 5 deep striking within 12 inches of an enemy terminator squad or broadside unit could really tear them up on that vulnerable first turn.

[mercer]

The codex says combi weapons are bolters, so its a plasma gun and cannot assault, unless in termy armour

[BurnArt the Ravenbane]

You are corrent, and we are talking about Terminators all the time After all they're the only unit in which every model may have a combi weapon.

[Barrakus]

Actually, I was talking more about champs in power armor with power fists. however with combi plasmas counting as plasma guns, then they would probobly be most useful on a terminator. does anyone know if GW makes terminator arms with combi plasmas? or do I need to convert?