She's become completely useless now. In the episodes, she always says something simple and convenient to not draw attention to herself and then remove herself from the scene while the other characters get the spotlight. This was more and more evident in the last few episodes where we really haven't gotten anything in the form of character development for her. It just seems like she brings nothing to the table any more and gives good reason for Robin to not take the relationship any further. :squint: :(

Well.. The past two episodes are only the beginning. Troq probly holds something good for us, and if not, well.... I suppose we wait it out.And hope with all our might she says something before something else happens......

I totally agree. Well b/c this is a Raven based season, it probably won't have as much Star, though Robin is still heavily focused.

The only thing that is slightly hopeful, is that one of the show writers did say that they were doing more R/S romantic related items this season.

And hopefully TROQ will be good.

Well, there's only been 3 eppys in this season. (I thought she was really cute in "The Quest") but you're right. She hasn't had in good eppy since...Betrothed or HLIF. (Depending what you thought of Betrothed). But this season only has her up for 1 eppy, TROQ.
But you have to look at it this way. BB and Cyborg didn't get to do much in season one, they can't fit everone in at the same time.

I seriously hope she gets a good romance episode with Robin in this season! She looked cute in Robin's outfit lol.

Didn't she just? lol

Starfire hasn't kicked some good ass in awhile.

really she went from good to :down:

Star sucks now...she has like no episodes giving her depth...she's just like there now...

I SHALL BRING YOU ALL OPTIMISM!!!! (Mainly b/c she's my fave character)

I think once we get a Starfire-focused episode--if not season--everyone will be back to their old Starfire loving self again ^_^

C'mon, you guys. Like Flare said, it's just the beginning. And the past couple of seasons were more focused on other characters. And obviously since season 1 was "The Robin Season," she'd be a big part of it too, ya know :)

I'll give you guys some of my daily offerings of cookies and ice cream if you'll smile again. :hs:

:D Bring on the cookies!!

But really, look at the odds. In The BB/T season, there wernt many R/s eppies. Emphasize many.
In the Cyborg season(Which I think was a blah season) There were even fewer.
So why are we going crazy when we havent even seen the season? Suddenly we see a few eppis where Star's quiet, and we go haywire?What if this is leading to something?Like what if Star really is the cause of the problems in TROQ, and she knows it?
So lets calm down and finish the season.
Then we can say she suxs, if she really does.

I think there is major oppurtinituy for R/S fluff in TROG. Something like Robin saying, well, I don't really know. But something fluffy. I just know it.
Edit: But yes, she is really being shoved back. I mean, sheesh, she has some great power, superstrength, flight, laser beams. She has so much potiential!

Considering the show is called, "Teen Titans," and not, "Starfire and Her Merry Band of Mega-Friends," I do not see this as a bad thing.

that would be funny

Yeah thats true like said it was a raven season and she will proberbly be kicking major butt inTROQ cant wait to see that one either.

Just because there hasn't been a Starfire episode for awhile, doesn't mean she sucks. I thought she was great in The Quest (I hope I'm not the only one who does). And I'm pretty sure she'll be good in TROQ most likely since it's her episode.

Bring on the cookies, CM!

I'm betting all my money on TROQ. The Quest had some small fluff but the Starfire/puppet scene just creeped me out a little. If not TROQ then Stranded. I know it hasn't been proven as an R/S episode but if it deals with alien culture then Starfire should show some smarts.

Starfire is my favorite character, and it bothers me that she's constantly being shoved in the corner or used as comic relief. They've been slacking on her animation, too. Look at her in Sisters, she looks gorgeous. Once in a blue moon she's look good, ie Haunted, X, etc...but really for a majority of the time she looks awkwardly skinny and as if she slept with about 4 pounds of eyeliner.

There has not been ONE episode that gave Starfire depth. NOT ONE. Yeah Sisters, but I hardly constitute "Wahhh my sister is cooler than me boo hoo" depth.

The creators are treating Star like a throwaway character. She's the cute one in the backround who laughs and cries at the drop of a hat. THAT'S why she's catching so much slack (pun not intended, but dude if you're reading this STEP IT UP A NOTCH!) and THAT'S why she might be the least favorite character. I want Starfire angst. I want Starfire inner-torment. They gave a half ass attempt in Betrothed, but really. A muffin could have done a better job with angst.

DAMN IT. Treat Starfire like an equal character!

well i do agree that she hasn't been playing any major role in an episode but i also agree that it's only been the first few episodes. And we all knoe that we can't wait for TROQ!!! and defintely we all hope to see some more r/s fluff going on!!!!

I'm not talking just this season. They've been doing it since "Terra". Check the books.

I know, I don't know if it's just the writers waiting till her season (maybe) to give her more depth...I think the only good Star episodes were Sisters and How Long Is Forever? and if you look at the other Titans, before their seasons popped up they only had that many episodes, but they weren't really good at all. Like watching Nevermore now is annoying, Sum of His Parts was just weird in my opinion, and forget about BB's episodes outside the Terra Arc. So maybe it will all get good in good time. :hs:

AGREED.

I am telling you...it all came down hill since "Betrothed" ....She is being incredible alienated! That's why I have given up on the R/S thing...Just watch the Titans for the fun parts and lines...I am so disappointed with the writers...they were doing so good....

Patience comrades, her time will come. Mabye not soon, but it will come.

Meh, I'm just gonna sit and wait patiently till her season. I mean, once we finally get there, it'll be "Wow, so much depth for Starfire" and "Meh, BB and Cyborg have really been sucking this season" It's hard for the writers to focus on all of the characters when certain seasons are directed at one specific person.

Plus, Star really is a hard character to provide depth to. She really is the comic belief and she's there to balance out Raven's darkness with her cute manner.

You know I thought Beast Boy's official description was the comic relief...

It seems to me that her personality is very unstable. I first noticed it in Wavelength when every once in a while she would just squeal for no reason. Perky much. In Deception I thought they had chosen to make her a bit more aggressive but I guess I was wrong.

They've been going crazy with all the "Starfire loves Robin" and think that's enough. 3 hours after I had watched The Quest I was creeped out. The puppet thing made her seem obssessed with Robin and now I'm beginning to think the same way with DwD.

I want them to show more from Starfire. There's more to her than just optimism and loving Robin. Yea I wanna see more depth. I see Betrothed as an unsuccessful attempt at making angst. I'm practically crying out for another episode like Haunted and for once have Robin showing that he loves her and not the other way around. It's pretty obvious how Starfire feels by now, so much that it's disturbing.

i think she gets season 5 :dunno:

The puppet thing was too creepy. I bet the people over at the Starfire Shrine are really pulling their hair out. Maybe I should go offer support...
Edit: Oh yes, she will get season five. I will clarify that right now with the writers. *pulls out bo staff with evil grin*
I actually do have a bo staff. It is not titanium, or retratable, but a bo staff. I take karate and weapons along with it.

Hey c'mon ppl don't lose faith on our little bumgorf. I know she hasn't been doin much lately but neither has the other characters when it isn't their episode. Look I am very dissapointed at the writers, they might not give her season five because "ohh she has enough episodes for herself" which is so much BULL! The other characters had the same amount, and yet they give them their own seasons!
They have to progress on her starfire is actually one of the smartest of them she knows more about the universe, and had more experience. SHE IS NOT JUST SOME PRETTY FACE! :rant: I mean c'mon she is from another planet, which means she can have dozens of enemies, not only Blackfire! I really want to go the writers and hit them all across the head with a broom stick and say " how dare you do that to star! :angry: GIVE star season 5! not to the titan east! You will lose a lot of viewers and make them very very angry in the process!"

xD

Starfire is my favorite character (well, she and Robin share that spot equally) and I agree that she hasn't been getting much spotlight, but this season is about Raven.

And she's not completely useless now. She brings light to the team. ^_^

I agree. The writers are also making it look like shes obssessed with Robin and Robin doesn't really feel the same way about her. I really hope she has an angsty eppy! And I know this is never going to happen but I think it would be kinda cool if the titans some how found out shes had a really hard life, like how she was a slave for a long time (in the comics) and that being happy all the time might just be a lie. Anyone know what I'm trying to say? I am really bad at explaining things.

What the writers need to do is make an angsty Starfire episode. Something that involves real conflict, and more depth than Sisters. Otherwise she's not going to have any true character development.

For the R/S, we need to see some more response from Robin. We can't say that Robin catching Starfire is fluff anymore. We also can't use any moments with Starfire showing affection for Robin as proof for the pairing anymore. We've pretty much established that Starfire loves Robin but other than the small jealousy shown in Betrothed, not that much coming from Robin. It's known that Robin isn't going to be just as open with his feelings but it seems that the relationship isn't going to bloom unless the writers find some way to have him express his emotions. If you have Robin play the secondary character in an angsty Starfire episode, he's the one who'll be showing the concern.

I could go on and on...

Starfire episodes, unfortunately, have a quality of sucking horribly. Starfire (being one of my favorite characters) is utterly adorable. Her episodes simply don't live up to her. Her awkward speech can be quite odd and get extremely annoying, but can create some of our favorite quotes ("Umm... Boo-gers"), it's just a full episode of her... cuteness can drive us mad. But yes, Star has been sucking overly much.

Star, we love you, we really do, but you gotta learn to kick some ass.

Oy vey.

1. Starfire's personality is not unstable. She's a teenager. They change. Hell, I'M a teenager, we're a mercurial bunch. The fact that she's happy one episode, sad the next, crazy-jealous in another, and all wilting-flower elsewhere is all attributed to her age, and really, the type of person she is. What, she isn't monotone and consistently sarcastic like Raven? That somehow dehumanizes her?

I personally have always thought Starfire's character is great. She's just so...emotional. Whether or not you choose to believe it, being angsty doesn't equal character development. Shock and awe, but some people are genuine optimists. Starfire is one of those people. But she's passionate and caring and loving, and just such a sweetheart. THESE ARE ACTUAL CHARACTER TRAITS.

I fail to understand why people never consider "How Long is Forever?" as Starfire development. It showed her in a wonderful light: her sweet, caring personality stretched so much that even she lost her will to fight. Hello?

Even "Date With Destiny." Starfire's an adolescent girl, she'll get pissed if her crush is (seemingly) straying to blonder pastures. Why does everyone think that was inconsistent? She was just being who she is! I'd get angry too...Jeez, what was she supposed to do? Bid Robin fare thee well, and go off to bake muffins?

2. Angst=/= A well-rounded character. As I mentioned earlier, angst does not equal good. I love Robin, he's a wonderful character and his angst and drama and moodiness are awesome. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT. SOME PEOPLE ARE-GASP!-OPTIMISTS.

3. The puppet thing wasn't creepy. D: I think everone's taking it waaaay too seriously. It was meant to be cute and funny, and it was. Don't read too much into a cartoon.

4. Whether or not Robin sorts out his emotions in an obvious manner, r/s is almost certainly going to reach some sort of culmination point. I thought Betrothed was more than a "little jealousy." Dude, Robin was clawing his way up towers and fighting off Tamaranian guards. Besides, he's a stupid teenage boy, fostered under Batman's anti-romance wing. He's not going to jump Starfire's bones the minute she renounces her crown. Give him time.

And besides, this is a CHILDREN'S SHOW. Can you think of a cartoon with unrequited love for the MAIN COUPLE? Nah, didn't think so. R/S will happen, one way or another. BE PATIENT.

Nah. While Starfire is sharper than the average alien, I'd argue that Robin's probably the smartest on the team. In a well-rounded way, at least.

MMMMMMM!!! I would like some peanut butter cookies and vanilla,cherry, and strawberry ice creams, please! :love:

Well all I'm saying is that we gotta give star a chance, i mean it's only the beginning of season 4, and when an eppi is about someone else of course she isn't gonna do much! And Robin did get more than a little jealous like tulleskirt said. I just want the creators to give her season 5. They should dig more into her past. It wasn't a happy life, she was a slave!
And besides TROQ is a Starfire eppi, and Stranded seems like something Star would have experience in since its another planet.
Don't give up on Starfire guys. And she isn't obsessed with Robin, she likes him, nothing wrong with that, I just hope Robin lightens up like he would in the Quest, then maybe, he'll be more, how you say, showing his feelings more to star.

Wow. That was awesome. :bow:

*off topic: I love saying oy vey! it's my favorite phrase! ok that was unnecessary... :sweatdrop: *

Wow Tulleskirt, I find that I must applaud you.

When I said she was unstable I wasn't really referring to the mood changes, just the way they were portraying her in the show. She was shown magnificently in How Long Is Forever but in Betrothed, I felt as if they slacked off. The writers just seem to confuse me with the constant changes and some things she says just make me go, "Wait, Starfire would not say that!" It's not just the way she acts that bothers me, her design is a lot different than before, in the bad way. As the show progresses it looks like she just gets thinner and thinner. The Starfire I'm seeing in season 4 seems distant from the Starfire I saw in season 1, Sisters in particular.

I should've clarified my opinion on them showing more angst. I agree with you on how angst doesn't always lead into character development. An angsty Starfire episode is something I want. I know she's extremely optimistic and always shows a smile but I feel it would help her grow up a bit.

I'm probably taking it too seriously but the puppet thing did make me wonder after I had thought about it for a while. It's cute but I just think that they might be overduing some of the fluff coming from Starfire.

I know Robin isn't going to be open about his feelings and admit anything until the very end. I've met people like him who are always serious, alway putting others before themselves, and never saying what the want, just what's best. I know that and after waiting three seasons I'm willing to wait two more. Yet because of he emotion he lacks I fear I'm going to expect too much when the moment comes.

:lol: You made me laugh with that last remark. Yes it's only a children's show and perhaps I'm showing just a tiny bit of obssessiveness and... ok analyzing things dry ruins the show completely so I'm just going to lay back and let the writers go with what they got. The R/S moment will come and hopefully I'll see what I'm looking for coming from Starfire.

Hmmm. Ya know, I think I see where everyone is at on this. If there really is a pattern, though... I mean, in the way of how each season is styled after every character..... well, hey, there's a season after this one, still! Wouldn't it be great if it turns out to be about Starfire? I mean, who else is there? Then maybe they could go really in-depth with her. And perhaps... it could end with a big Gordanian invasion! Blackfire trying to sell Star into slavery! A kiss between Robin and Starfire! I doubt there will be a season 6, if there is, that might break a record for Warner Bros DC animated shows. Man... I really hope that the creators read this. It'd be awesome if season 6 was based off of the Blackfire saga from the comics. My fave dialouge from that - Starfire: "Go to hell!" Blackfire: "With what I'm doing to you, I'm certain I will... but not for a while."

Anywho, ya, here's hoping. It'd be a great chance to explore more of Star's character. :D

Amen. Sometimes I think that if I had Starfire powers I could do so much more. She can fly away from the villains hits and she doesn't. She flys in, throws a few starbolts, and dimisses herself. Why doesn't she use her lasers more often? Or throw her starbolts in a constant laser? She could do tenfold damage!