Lads,
I'll be going on national radio Friday morning to talk about Harry Potter. Basically I need ye're help to do some flash research. I have to basically defend the point of view that the HP books hold their own as literature for educated adults. I know everyone here agrees with me, but can ye give me some pointers especially concerning psychoanalytical analysis. We had a thread on it back on TP 1, the whole business with Lily's eyes, and Harry moving from looking to his father for protection in PoA to looking to himself as protector.
Anything ye have on Freud/Jung that ye canthink of, or anything you think I should mention... Put it here
ThanksThanksThanksThanksThanks.

Godric!...Dude! That is so cool!! :rock: Make sure that someone records it for you.

I just did a google search of: Harry Potter, Freud, Jung
and found several articles listed that might be helpful for you. Try it. Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :party:

Try the dream interpretation thread currently at the beginning of the book series forum. Isn't that Jungian or Freudian? Like the firebolt being a phallic symbol.

I wish you the best of luck and will see what I can find.

I've sent you an email to the address you're registered under here. Check it out! :) :-)

Is this the type of thing you're looking for?

http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/ques...dec2001/vachet/

If you get stuck, you can always use your Pricks speech. :lol: Good Luck!!!

that's really great Godric :party: -will people be allowed to call and ask questions? who's show is it?
Need to know what station its on and what time? though I'll probably be in work and will have to record it <_<

Considering that he lives in Ireland, you might not have it? :dontknow:

Godric, will send you another email in five minutes time... :)

considering hellebora is from ireland...

:ire:

Good luck with this Godric - hope it goes well!! I sure hope someone manages to get a transcript of it for us! Best wishes!!

OK, Godric. This is my best bit from the purely freudian angle, that is widely applied in discussions about children's literature. This applies to the way it hits kids, of course, but I would suggest that the appeal for adults is very often the same as it is for kids, in this day and age, when for a variety of reasons relating to the way kids and parents interact (or fail to) many issues of childhood never do get completely resolved.

We keep it seemple, oui?

Freud had this idea about what he called "Familienroman," or the romance of the family. ("Romance" really means "Roman," or a story or novel.) The same theme comes down over and over and over again, and it never fails to get its audience.

It goes like this: When a child is very small, it's treated like royalty. It has the feeling of being very special; nothing it can do is wrong, it's center of attention and all that. In fact, Freud theorized that it felt it was actually omnipotent, and could command its parents and particularly its mother. At a certain point, maybe four years old (this is a part of the oedipal crisis that is not primarily about sex identification, but rather about growing a conscience or "superego") the child comes to recognize that this royal position has had a bad come-down. Actually this realization starts as young as toilet-training, but when the kid is getting to be a little person heading for school age it really intensifies (especially if there is a newer sibling in the house). All of a sudden, there is lots more discipline and higher expectations, and critical taskmasters that are greatly in contrast to those besotted people who cooed over every move. Unconditional adoration is in very short supply.

At this point, the creative child suspects and begins to fantasize that he isn't really part of his family -- there has been a mistake made: he's really still the royal, special child he originally was, but these people can't recognize it. The obvious thing to do is to get back to where he once belonged, at least in fantasy. This may lead to imagining that he was swapped with another child (The Prince and the Pauper, e.g.) or that he was taken away from his royal parents and hidden (King Arthur), or any of a number of variations. He may also fantasize that while his mother's participation in bearing him may be hard to dispute, just maybe there's a much better and more royal father in the picture, anyway. All this has to do with regaining the specialness and (sorry about the word) numinosity of not only himself, but his whole once-perfect royal family.

A story like Harry Potter is in that respect a retelling of this idea. Harry, like Arthur, is removed from his royal origins by a protector, and raised without knowing his true identity to the point where he must set out on the quest to get back his own, his very special parents (of whom he is the logical reflection).

It does and doesn't tie in with separation -- of course the child undergoes a long, gradual separation into an individual all through childhood, with peak points at the end of babyhood and again in adolescence. On the other hand, Freud makes this point very specifically: the child who fantasizes along the lines of the Romance of the Family wants not only recognition of his separate specialness, but also reconciliation with the parents as they once were, once he is able to meet them on his own terms. He is, as it were, running away to come home. You find this sensed very poignantly in the Mirror of Erised episode in Harry's first year: he has just been removed to an alien world, where he is acknowledged as "royalty" from his birth, in a way, but is and feels himself to be a stranger. He discovers his origins, and he sees his family for the first time, just long enough for confirmation. Then the separation necessity is imposed again. If it is not, he won't become what the promise of his family holds.

Is there any one of us who managed this perfectly? Is there any one of us who isn't still carrying some sense that we are a great deal more special than the world has the wit to see, and some day, dammit, everybody will know it? :)

Just an FYI, I posted this in the HLN thread as well but this is the website for this station, if you have real player you can listen to it live.

I will be listening...it will be 5 am my time...but thats ok, I am already facinated with this station from listening last night.


http://www.rte.ie/radio1/


I dont know if I have any capability to record it, however!

5 AM -- groan.

For transcription purposes, maybe a little hand-held would be enough. Mine has picked up enough lectures in its time to gag a dragon.

Turns out I'm only going in for a recording in the morning. The discussion will be aired at a later date!!!!!! So I'm considerably calmer about this now. All my swearing CAN be bleeped out (RTE controversially does not have a profanity delay, as listeners in December would have realised when a caller suggested that the reason a young female constituent was granted a contract off a Minister without competition was because "she could be sucking his cock.")
Sorry if ye've all waited up til 5am, and are only getting this now!I'll let ye know the score as soon as I know myself!!!!!

But lads, seriously thanks!!!
Ye've given me great stuff, that's hopefully going to come in very handy.
Ye're a big shower of absolute legends of the rockingest order!!!

Cool, please keep us updated as to when it aires!!

'Twas a good laugh in the end. I was told that it'll air between 9 and 10 am on Radio 1, GMT.
Didn't get to talk as much about HP as I would have liked. It was a very basic discussion really, that none of yourselves wouldn't have been well able for. But I enjoyed myself anyhow, and that's the main thing.
Thanks again to everyone who helped me out. There wasn't time to go into any of what ye sent me, but it really helped me to think about what I wanted to say.
And I didn't swear once! Except in the canteen, which doesn't really count.

Godric...between 9-10 AM on Saturday morning?

Monday morning.
Sorry, can't believe I missed that.

Yes, that does help a little.

Okay has anyone been able to listen to this on Realplayer? I keep getting a network connection problem message but I can get the live feed just fine. I think J sabotaged the radio station! :devil:

I downloaded some insanely complex real player, i created a freakin account, i had to figure out how to get the stupid announcer lady for real player to shut up, and I can't get the broadcast. I feel as though, after all the trouble I went through, I am owned a phone call so I can hear an Irish accent. ;-)

I just listened to it here by clicking on 'Monday's Show'.

I thought it was an excellent discussion, and as a parent I found it made me think of issues I hadn't considered before. Such as, does my fondness for childish things like rock music, video games, Harry Potter, and X-Men just to name a few; erode my moral or parental authority with my child? Personally, I don't think it does.

I also liked the point Godric made about well written and creative literature having the power to appeal to people on many levels.

I think you did a great job Godric :rock:, and you've got a very sexy voice!!!

Cheers, Figgy.
I was forwarded the recording as a zip file, or drive or something, so if anyone wants it, send us a PM and i'll see if I can send it on to ye...

Hurrah! I was clicking in on today's show. Who knows why it didn't work. But yea for Godric and all his insightful comments. I couldn't actually believe it was him saying all those intellectual things (not that you know, I think you're dumb or anything). And really, you don't sound a thing like I thought you would from the pictures you posted.

I'm now freakishly behind in my cleaning for Erin's visit schedule thanks to this. So erin, if my apartments a sty when you come, it's Godric's fault, not mine

This morning (9.30 am 9/2/05) I finally got to hear you Godric. The program included the Irish news, a loooong bit on Jehovah's Witnesses, some music plus commercials and then you came on air. You were debating adult interest in children's movies and literature with a writer, a marketeer and a film critic, I think. And I think you gave the other three a run for their money. Well done! :P

Thanks so much for the link Mrs Figg!!

Godric!! You were fabulous!! You spoke really well, with great knowledge and authority - and you outshone those pushy advertising/media blokes!! I hope our site has offered you free Lifetime Membership with guaranteed 'never-to-be-moderated status' in honour of managing to slip in 'thinkpotter'!! :lol: - that was so lovely!! Congrats mate - you did well!! :drink:

Cheers, lads. One of the PRICKS lads e-mailed to practically everyone I know, and I generally got a good response, so I'm a bit chuffed. Incidentally, banker, have you ever seen a photo of me sober? Actually I'm not sure that even I have...

Oh, how cool was that to listen to!? You did a really great job, Godric!

I have to agree with Banker, you sound different than I had expected as well. Your voice was lower. But, all the other skinny, dark-haired guys with classes I know have really low voices, so why shouldn't you? It's really fun to be able to hear one of you guys. You can kind of infer certain things about someone's personality through the way they speak.

Also, haha, the chocolate story was awesome! I totally need that book for my coffee table. Although, I don't know if it will quite be the same without him there to read it aloud.

Godric, just out of curiosity, how did you get involved in the broadcast? I mean, did you hear about it and apply to be a part of it, or had they heard about PRICKS? If you've explained how before, I must either have missed it or forgotten. I'm hoping it's still available when I get to Banker's though! I really want to hear this. :-)

No Godric, I don't believe I've ever seen a sober pic of you, but well, there's this irish guy from the movie the matchmaker, and he's got dark hair, glasses, and really just kinda looks like what i remember you looking like, and his voice is higher. Not girly higher, but high for a guy. I was always convinced that's what you would sound like.

I enjoyed the chocolate story too! Poor lonely chocolate! I felt so bad for the chocolate, I decided to have a glass of chocolate milk. You know, to do my part...

Huh, that's funny, I decided to do something else. Oh well, to each his own, I guess. ;-)

:jd:

To answer Lupinfan... The same programme had a terribly uninformed discussion on the conversational habits of young Irish adults, citing us as materialistic, utterly without depth and incapable of discussing anything in a pub other than cars and clothing. My ma, who can occassionally take extreme personal offence at the mus generis of throwaway comments rang in to complain, citing PRICKS as an example of inteeligetn young adults engaging in mature, in deed intellectual conversation weekly. The kidult show was being researched at the time, so they asked her for my number (unaware of the connection between us which ma didn't consider important). They rang me up and asked me on.
I did enjoy the chocolate story, as it happens, and yer man read it fantastically.

It seems RTE Radio 1 can't get enough of my HP chat, I'll be on again for a few minutes sometime between 9-11 (Ryan Tubridy's show) Wednesday morning. Tomorrow morning, incidentally, Roald Dahl'swidow will be on that same show, possibly to talk kids books, HBP and the new Charlie movie!!! I'll be tununing in at work

Neat, Godric! I hope we get to listen again, that was fun. ^_^

Will this be a new interview Godric, or a repeat of your last show? Good luck for it btw!! ^_^

Just a quick 5 minutish new interview, mostly asking what I'll be doing to celebrate teh release of HBP. Basically a case of, "if anyone remembers that nerd we had on a while back, he still hasn't grown up!"

Didn't go on in the end,I was on standby in case the main guy, who published a book on how HP has been marketed, didn't show. He showed and hilariously claimed that there's 64,000 HP fanfics on the web!

64,000 fanfics a week, maybe. ^_^