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aramantha - February 17, 2007 10:01 PM (GMT)
I can't believe this, and I've read lots of this stuff. This is based on the movie as well as the book. Take a look at how she has everything ass-backwards, including interpreting the Malfoys as angels who are being dissed as bad guys in an anti-Christian move -- and Dobby as the result of stem cell research, whch is against God's will etc. etc. I mean -- they let this woman keep her kids and raise them . . .



http://www.exposingsatanism.org/harrypotter2.htm

Around the world people are letting the vanguard of the anti-Christ into their homes and into the hearts and souls of their children. Please send this warning out to everyone you know and care about!

The Immaculate Conception as Perverted in the Pagan Harry Potter Books

An article by Lurlene Tyranna Shores

It was with fear and a great sense of shame and guilt that I touched the cover of a Harry Potter book for the first time, and then forced myself to sit through the movies. For weeks I had prayed and asked for guidance, and I hope it was God's will that I did, and saw with my own eyes what is foisted upon the eyes and minds of our children.

I have heard many bad things about these books and movies, there would be countless instances of witchcraft, cursing, brewing of drugs made by boiling alive babies pulled from the earth, sexual congress with goats and many more things not fit for young readers' and viewers' eyes, but what I found was much worse still than I had feared.

Please do not let your children read these books or watch these movies!

I will now tell you why:
The antagonist in the Harry Potter books is a man called Tom (parody of the Trinity, more about that in the next paragraph) Marvolo (marvels miracles) Riddle (referring to the Divine mystery), a man who is three as one, in the spiritual shape of an old man (Voldemort ¨Cmeaning flight of death, a direct reference to the plagues over Egypt), in the body of the young man who lives in the diary (Bible), and as the spirit that guides (as in the first book when he fights the witches for a stone the Sorcerer's Stone that grants immortality and is in defiance of the punishment for the fall).

This Tom Riddle is clearly the God of Christian tradition as other Christian critics of Mrs. Rowling's books have pointed out. When Potter first sees Tom Riddle the Son, Tom is described as strangely blurred around the edges, suggesting a halo (p. 330).

The reason why Mrs. Rowling calls Jesus Tom is simple. In England, the saying every Tom, Dick and Harry is highly popular and in this case alludes to the omnipresence of God in our world. This is another attempt to confuse us by presenting a false, mixed up trinity: Tom, the Father; Dick, the Spirit (better known in the series as the ghost Sir Benedict de Mimpsy Porkington, affectively called Nearly-Headless-Dick by the children); and Harry, as the Son, the false Christ. Later, Tom the Son will remark that he and Potter are very alike (p. 340), causing more confusion in the heart of the reader.

Lucius Malfoy (meaning of bad/wrong faith, again this is misleading!), a respectably dressed family man with the pale hair and ethereal looks of an Angel, representing the Angel Gabriel of the Annunciation (Luke 1:31, but with the name of the fallen one in order to confuse Christian readers) gives the girl of a humble home, Ginny Weasley, the diary of Tom Riddle.

It is not hard to realize this diary, containing the life history of our Lord Tom the Son, represents both the message that she is to become the Divine vessel, and the Christian Bible, the very base of our faith. The Angel Malfoy, with modesty that befits his kind, does not touch the revered and frightened girl but puts the diary in the girl's cauldron, representive of her womb.

The innocent Ginny confides in the diary, asking it questions, and the diary advises her, guides her, like the Holy Scripture. About the diary she says, I'm so glad I've got this diary to confide in ... It's like having a friend I can carry around in my pocket (p. 335). Isn't this the way we wish our children would think about the Holy Scripture? Ginny continues to ask Tom for guidance, until she, under the malevolent and seductive influence of the anti-Christ figure, Harry Potter, bearing the mark of the beast on his front, rejects it and it falls into his hands.

The little girl writes Potter a poem: His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad, He is truly divine, the hero who conquered the dark(sic) lord. Once more a blasphemous attempt to turn the tables around and represent witchcraft, a dark force Christianity has faced and fought since the dark ages, as benevolent, and make God out to be something dark and fearful to us. The terms green eyes and pickled toad should be enough to raise the alarm bells in the mind of any true Christian, but our children are not always well versed in the Divine truth of the Bible and defenceless against this sort of Satanic indoctrination.

Ginny, like our own children, is captured by Potter's serpent-like green gaze, and maybe his tongue; Mrs. Rowling gives away in the first book that the boy can talk to snakes, and considering what we already know about Potter, we should not put seducing an innocent girl into original sin past him. Like our own children, it is a lure she cannot resist, and one the Virgin Mary never had to face.

In this second book in the series, Mrs. Rowling, who for many years studied Satanism and Kabbalah in France and several other secularized old world countries, represents the Immaculate Conception by Ginny of Tom as rape, of the mind but also of the body, and the Annunciation as a fraud committed against the virgin girl meant to be the bride of the anti-Christ figure Potter. She does this inversion of our ancient truths without blinking an eyelash, and according to some is a representative on earth of the ancient demon Lilith, who was rejected by Adam as a wife for her forwardness and her refusal to take a wifes place.

Before the conception of Tom Riddle, the Son, is completed, Potter pierces the Bible Ginny holds with the fang of a serpent-like poisonous monster, burns it, and reclaims his unconscious bride (the scene bears resemblance to the one in Rosemary's Baby since Ginny is also wearing a black robe and her legs are uncovered) while Tom is denied becoming flesh to save the world from Potter and his followers.

A phoenix, favourite symbol of Freemasons like Hilary Clinton, a bird born from fire and with feathers the color of hellish flames, red, gold, orange and yellow (not coincidentally also the colors of Potter's house in the school) comes to Potter's aid.

Not surprisingly, Ginny weeps silently after being 'rescued' by Potter, for deep inside she knows that now she will face a fate worse than death, and that she is lost (p. 350). The movie ends with Potter and his mentor, a master in the Satanic art of shape shifting, humiliating the Angel of the Annunciation.

In a particularly distasteful and lewd display, Potter tries to tempt the rightfully furious Angel by raising his pant leg and showing him his nude ankle. In this way the Harry Potter books contribute to the hidden gay agenda. When this temptation is refused, he has a malignant house spirit who embodies all the evils of stem-cell research curse the angel down.

In the book Blood in Vein, notorious Satanist Brian Hodge puts the blasphemous words, There are many gods. There are many sons conceived by rape.¡± as an answer to the question, What of your being the Son of God? into the mouth of Jesus (p. 271 of the paperback). This is common practice among Satanists, representing God as one of a multitude so we will lose direction, and perverting the birth of our Saviour in rituals where they invert crosses, spill the blood of roosters, have goats rape virgins, and eat newborns. And we now see that they will stop at nothing.

Throughout every next book in the series, Our Lord Voldemort/God tries to smite Potter and, according to Mrs. Rowling, every time he fails, reinforcing gullible readers' confidence in the power of evil.

Potter's godfather, the ancient Egyptian demon Sirius (better know to us as Satan, or Potter's [GOD] ie true father, historically Set) who also takes the shape of a large black dog, and is described as both beautiful and violent by Mrs Rowling, appears in three of the books and returns physically to the underworld when Potter turns sixteen and is no longer in need of his protection. One wonders if the infernal nuptials of Potter's mother Lily, also named after Lilith, and this dog will be described in any of the following books.

Nothing good can come of this. Our country is now beleaguered in the Harry Potter merchandize, colorfully, festively almost announcing the arrival of the anti-Christ. The worst product available to corrupt our youth was Potter's vibrating broomstick, now taken off the market under pressure of Christian parents because it taught young girls how to abuse themselves and awoke their interest in the sins of the flesh. This is damage that cannot be undone.

Our own President and his wife have let this evil into the White House and have boasted Harry Potter themed Christmas decorations! The Vatican, not coincidentally located in the centre of Europe, has sided with the Satanists and proclaimed Harry Potter harmless; once again the Catholic Church forsakes the Christ and sides with those who would pull us down with them into eternal damnation. It may be already too late to save our world, but we can save our souls and refuse the ticket for a one-way trip to hell Potter provides. It is never too late to cancel your trip.

God bless you and be with you always

Comments about this article should be sent to the author Lurlene Tyranna Shores

jemlibris - February 18, 2007 02:21 AM (GMT)
Interesting this misread analysis of Harry Potter and that LV would have to be the exact reverse of what she suggests he is.

This morning I saw in the front yard of our historic old church this sign!

Read the book before you meet the author. They meant the bible of course, but the same could apply to many other books as well.

She should have read the books before she started criticising the author.

mercurystar - February 18, 2007 02:36 AM (GMT)
wow....just.....wow.


Voldemort = God?

Bare ankle = gay agenda??

Riddle's diary = the Bible???


I'm just at a loss right now. :blink: :blink:

frida_wolf - February 18, 2007 04:34 AM (GMT)
How did you find this 'Mantha? Is it for real? It almost reads like a parody of Christian fundamentalist thinking (a contradiction in terms, I know). Hmm, I never can tell a real Christian fundamentalist from a parody anyway.

aramantha - February 18, 2007 05:11 AM (GMT)
I can't exactly remember now -- I was looking for some recent commentary, and I must have done some google spell with powerful keywords. I can't believe how much it's saying about her failed repression of her own sexuality. Nothing like this is innocent. It almost has the flavor of a real paranoid schizophrenic delusional system. I feel so bad for her kids!

I just looked at it again. Catch the reference in the last paragraph but one about Potter's vibrating broomstick making all the girls have thoughts of "self-abuse" that can now never be repaired? I wish this was some kind of parody, but the whole site is dead straight fundamentalist kvatsh.

frida_wolf - February 18, 2007 07:59 AM (GMT)
^ I can see what you mean. Can you can more freudian-slippy than than "Nearly-Headless Dick"? :rolleyes:

Godric - February 19, 2007 07:24 PM (GMT)
I read this some two years back, if I recall when doing my dissertation on Children's Fantasy, it stuck in my head as the most perverse example of reverse reasoning I've ever come across. She went looking for anti-Christian undertones and, finding none, invented her own, very irresponsible way to live her life. I have a great sense of pity for someone so confused that they need to cling so desperately to a given world view. May she live to see the error of her ways (actually, at this level she probably knows deep down).

banker - February 19, 2007 08:23 PM (GMT)
I'm just really really confused about Harry's nude ankle equating to a hidden gay agenda. I realize there is no sane reasoning or logic anywhere in this article, but where did that come from? Even with the thought of Dobby being gay, I still don't see how a nude ankle comes into play in the whole scheme. It's very confusing for me.

aramantha - February 19, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
No, Dobby's not gay, he's a product of stem cell research or cloning that produces a bad imitation of a human. Or maybe he's gay too, I don't know . . .

I'm thinking it would have been wonderful, in an absolutely awful way, to be a fly on the wall of this woman's frontal lobe while she watched this movie. She started with the assumption going in that Harry is the devil, or representative of satanic will, and that was immovable. So everything Harry does is evil. Simple, right? No matter how appealing he looks or brave and noble he acts, it's poisoned candy. Now, if Harry is evil, it stands to reason that the ones who hate Harry and want to stop him or even kill him must be good. No argument there. So Voldemort is God, the "flight of death" is the righteous judgment of the tenth plague of Egypt, and the Malfoys, who are so angelically blond, must be good. Easy to overlook all the ham-handed dirty looks, arrogant sneers, cruel behavior, and hypocrisy of the characters of both Malfoys, if you read them as natural reactions against the devil any decent person would feel.

What's so breathtakingly and transparently sexually screwed up is her reading of the feminine or "immaculate conception travesty" part of it:

Lucius Malfoy (meaning of bad/wrong faith, again this is misleading!), a respectably dressed family man with the pale hair and ethereal looks of an Angel, representing the Angel Gabriel of the Annunciation (Luke 1:31, but with the name of the fallen one in order to confuse Christian readers) gives the girl of a humble home, Ginny Weasley, the diary of Tom Riddle.

It is not hard to realize this diary, containing the life history of our Lord Tom the Son, represents both the message that she is to become the Divine vessel, and the Christian Bible, the very base of our faith. The Angel Malfoy, with modesty that befits his kind, does not touch the revered and frightened girl but puts the diary in the girl's cauldron, representive of her womb.

In this second book in the series, Mrs. Rowling, who for many years studied Satanism and Kabbalah in France and several other secularized old world countries, represents the Immaculate Conception by Ginny of Tom as rape, of the mind but also of the body, and the Annunciation as a fraud committed against the virgin girl meant to be the bride of the anti-Christ figure Potter. . . .

Before the conception of Tom Riddle, the Son, is completed, Potter pierces the Bible Ginny holds with the fang of a serpent-like poisonous monster, burns it, and reclaims his unconscious bride (the scene bears resemblance to the one in Rosemary's Baby since Ginny is also wearing a black robe and her legs are uncovered) while Tom is denied becoming flesh to save the world from Potter and his followers.


So Lucius slipping Ginny the diary conflates the annunciation and the impregnation by the spirit. Where the hell do you start arguing with a mind that could even come up with that? But she's not common or garden stupid -- she does know, for example, that she has to account for the obvious meaning of both halves of Lucius' name -- Archangel Gabriel is called a variant of "Lucifer" and "Bad Faith" to mislead the reader.

Yes, the Nearly Headless Dick, owned by someone insubstantiate. That's almost ideal -- how much trouble with sins of the flesh can you get into with that? Interesting, too, that it's easy to mishear a "D" for an "N" (Dick/Nick), since they are essentially the same sound except that the N is partially closed and the D is fully closed -- if you have some reason to already. The lady is almost unbelievably dirty-minded. :) The nude ankle is another example -- if Lucius is a good angel, then Harry flashing him a nude ankle to show where the sock came from is easy to interpret as Harry coming on to Lucius sexually as a repulsive act of derision, having beaten him and freed Dobby. So then Lucius understandably escalates into an avenging angel and tries to curse Harry to death, but is thwarted by the same stem-cell-miscreant Dobby . . .

Damn! It actually is a pretty tight reading, with a few tweaks, once you pull off the first reversal. What a lovely example of a comprehensive delusional system. Scary -- she is so obviously in approval of the death sentence for the devil -- it's not all that hard to imagine her losing it and stalking Rowling or the young actors with a gun.

The only cheerful note is that she disapproves of Bush, because he doesn't disapprove enough (or give a shit one way or the other, likely).

MrCarbohydrate - February 20, 2007 04:54 AM (GMT)
And she mentioned Freemasonry. She'd better watch that; every, you know, US President and/or British PM since 1929 has been one.

Anyways, weird, weird, weird...see, the problem with Fundamentalists, in this case a "christian" one, is that they're not actually making an argument; you have to have two sides for an argument. While I don't necessarily worship the almighty "Reason" and "Logic" that are as much modern man's deity as oil or money are, I do think that Listening is quite as useful if not a more useful skill than Yelling.

jemlibris - February 21, 2007 11:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Yes, the Nearly Headless Dick, owned by someone insubstantiate. That's almost ideal -- how much trouble with sins of the flesh can you get into with that? Interesting, too, that it's easy to mishear a "D" for an "N" (Dick/Nick), since they are essentially the same sound except that the N is partially closed and the D is fully closed -- if you have some reason to already. The lady is almost unbelievably dirty-minded.  The nude ankle is another example -- if Lucius is a good angel, then Harry flashing him a nude ankle to show where the sock came from is easy to interpret as Harry coming on to Lucius sexually as a repulsive act of derision, having beaten him and freed Dobby. So then Lucius understandably escalates into an avenging angel and tries to curse Harry to death, but is thwarted by the same stem-cell-miscreant Dobby . . .


Just as well she hasn't latched onto last week's real life news of Voldemort and the Qantas Air Hostess. :lol:

Siriusly though, in Tuesday's edition of The Australian, someone called for the banning of all Ralph Fiennes films from Qantas in-flight entertainment, in reprisal for his antics with the unfortunate stewardess. Presumably that means Goblet of Fire and the forthcoming Order of the Phoenix.

I love this comment: 'She did the mile high mambo with Lord Voldemort!' The fundamentalist lady would be so envious. :devil:

athenamay3410 - February 21, 2007 03:50 PM (GMT)
Haha that was so much fun to read. I think the "hidden gay agenda" part was my favourite.

Or perhaps that Ginny wept because she will now face a life much worse than death...

What I find most interesting is she has overlooked in Voldemort that whole pure-race, torture and mass-murdererer thing.

I almost want to say that perhaps she might also do a reverse reading on the Holocaust... but I won't go there.

And "Nearly Headless Dick" just about made my day. Did she misread the "N" too?

aramantha - February 21, 2007 07:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jemlibris @ Feb 21 2007, 11:58 AM)

Siriusly though, in Tuesday's edition of The Australian, someone called for the banning of all Ralph Fiennes films from Qantas in-flight entertainment, in reprisal for his antics with the unfortunate stewardess. Presumably that means Goblet of Fire and the forthcoming Order of the Phoenix.


The redeeming factor in all of that is that Voldemort is fictional, but Ralph Fiennes is real, bless him. If Qantas wants to ban Harry Potter 4 and 5 because of this, as Alice once told the high court they're nothing but a pack of cards.

jemlibris - February 22, 2007 08:09 PM (GMT)
I doubt Qantas would take much notice of what people say about films on board though. This is the airline which screened the Rain Man after all, which featured an autistic character with a fear of flying. The choice of films that was available, last January included The Twin Towers, An inconvenient truth (which I watched) and Brokeback Mountain. The children's and classics offerings I'd either seen before or didn' t appeal. I don't remember seeing the March of the Penguins, but that was a Christmas present anyway.

I guess this woman wants the Harry Potter books and films banned altogether, but even if they were, she would have to put up with other just as controversial films being readily available.

aramantha - February 24, 2007 10:17 PM (GMT)
Good God -- I hope they didn't fire the poor flight attendant? :angry:


jemlibris - February 25, 2007 05:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (aramantha @ Feb 25 2007, 08:17 AM)
Good God -- I hope they didn't fire the poor flight attendant? :angry:

Yes, they did. That was why there was such a fuss about the incident.

Cat_on_my_head - October 29, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (athenamay3410 @ Feb 21 2007, 07:50 AM)
What I find most interesting is she has overlooked in Voldemort that whole pure-race, torture and mass-murdererer thing.

Unfortunately, the really scary thing is that she probably didn't. :unsure:

Wow, I had never seen this before. I really am not sure what to say other than, um, what an extremely inventive lady.

jemlibris - March 2, 2009 09:56 PM (GMT)
I am recovering from a very nasty bout of sinusitis, but am still confined to quarters until Wednesday. For something to read in the doctor's surgery I happened to get a copy of The Australian (March 2nd), which is also online.

The Australian has this column called Cut and Paste in which they bring to people's inspection the wackier and more objectionable news items they find both locally and overseas. That is for the information of readers who want to know what the fuss is about.

I can't believe I read in this long standing broadsheet newspaper, the little gem below. The very short article was headed:

Harry Potter and the Ziono-Hollywood cultural crusade.

The subtitle and the article says as follows:

QUOTE
A documentary of Iranian news channel IRINN uncovers the alarming truth about the Hogwarts' Jewish conspiracy.

VOICEOVER: THE early 1990s brought a revolution in the use of digital technology to the world of cinema helping the propaganda machine of the 21st-century Samaritans adopt useful tools for witchcraft and brainwashing. Now more than ever this tool is used to spread the dark and evil essence of Zionism and its goals. The creation of new stories based on mythical themes related to witchcraft and devil worship has always been used as a tool by contemporary Zionists and it is being used now more visibly than ever targeting innocent children and youth.

Ali Ashghar Sa'adati, Iranian expert on religious cinema: The Zionists are trying to convince the viewers that because there is no easy way to distance yourself from withcraft, Satan and the like, it is better to join us. I call this a cultural crusader war: a crusade in which the cultural aspect is currently stronger than the military aspect. Their military expedition is currently in Afghanistan and Iraq while their cultural expedition consists of these films and DVDs.

Sa'id Mostaghasi, Iranian film critic: The Zionists support Harry Potter because he is the promised Messiah. He has the same traits and wants to defeat a dark force, which in this film is depicted as Voldemort.


I expect this is the Iranian idea of a good advertisement for the forthcoming Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince movie. Either that or its a joke.




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