Meeting Dumps

[Maryn]

Pretty much this thread is for dumping what came out of the meetings we have. Any ideas here are still up in the air and are NOT final and will mostly likely be subjected to battering and revisions unless stated so by a head honcho.

If any will be finalized it will be done at a later time with the agreement of who attends the meeting then.

Anyone that has modship is free to add and remove anything deemed necessary.


4/14/09


~Discussion where our protagonist begins.

~the MC(main character) could have powers but will have to work for it.

~Arrival does not matter as likely anon would care less and care more about getting into the pants of their touhoe.

~There is the semi fanon that Patchi uses Remi for magical energy (vampiric magic). If we use the "Remi's fate haxx for a second life to a child" who is to say there is no residual demonic energy in Anon to use for magic?

~Something I had planned to use in writing to give an excuse for a character from the outside being able to quickly pick up magical powers: He's a reincarnated soul of a Gensokyo native who ended up falling back into Gensokyo on a sheer fluke, and his spirit retains enough power to enable him to do basic things like low level danmaku.

~If Anon has dormant magical prowess, I image a scene in which Anon finds a book on Patchi's desk, with runes and magic circles. But they feel...strange. Its not the design and lines, but more how they are connected. Like you really want to run something through it. It feels sort of like pouring water into a weird trench, and watching it move through.

~He is a historian, who stumbled across what supposed to be an abandon'd mansion. Something crazy happens, and he is transported with the SDM to Genskoyo. Now he is trapped with no way home, and the EoSD event occurs"

~China story I could come up with is helping her stand up to Sakuya and admit her feelings. Is ripe with conflict and character development, though rather cliched. But if we are dealing with fanon, give something the fans would want.

~ Protagonist has some old family vacation photos taken when he was really young in front of this really strange looking red house out in the European countryside. He decides to look into it years later, try to find out more about it because he's interested in it. Manages to find old records that lead him to where it would have been, but finds the lot totally empty, not even trace of rubble,...








4/19/09
(highlights are/will be copy pasted)

~Discussion of Koakuma and her life

• Possible ideas concerning her beginnings, such as how she was summoned. How she became Patchouli's familiar. Her possible origins. Should we make her a succubus(with succubi qualities of course) or shall she remain as an actual mini-demon familiar?
  
• -Questioned why she would stay with Patchouli, bounded by demonic rites and eventually moved on as a friendly relationship?
  
• -Maybe model or base her origins off one of the 72 Goetic demons? Or perhaps the 73rd demon that Solomon missed?

~Discussion of Remilia

• Question of Remi is content or has ambition? Decided on that she is content with how things are. If too much happens, a certain miko will intervene. And boredom is often a good motivator.

Discussion of Flandre:

• Possible considering Canon flandre for her behaviors and age difference.
• Convicing Flandre not to kill at her whim.
• Possible Weakness to traditional vampire weapons?
• Flandre wants to play like a child but hates being patronized like a child.<Agreed on, so its finalized>

Hong Meiling

• Sakuya as a antagonist because of abuse, unreciprocating her feelings as a protagonist.
• Agreed Meiling is a damn hot, nice girl. We'd all hit it.

Patchouli Knowledge discussion:

• Enjoy the world damn it Patchy.

SDM General:

• The structure of SDM, with or without windows.
• Are vampires able to see their own reflection?

4/22/09

From Vent:

Discussion of using the original CERN plot as it seems plausible and we can alter as needed later on.
-The intro goes on as the usual CERN introduction, things fuck up. We are still using SDM as a starting point. We will land near or inside SDM and fucks up everything there and ripples out in Gensokyo.
-Anon is suicidal?(oh god)
-Drunk Doc in vent is AWESOME.PNG.
-At crossroads, we may need to decide which area to do.
-Currently we are doing the CERN route, unless a better one is thought out..


From IRC:

-Fate hax discussion regarding or lack thereof of Remi's power.
-Remi is a stasic creature/person and likes to see things change so she chooses Anon out of bizarre luck or something and possibly and most likely out of envy.



4/23/09

General SDM route:
-CERN Anon's arrival shook the SDM, which weakened Flan's door, and totally disorganized Patchi's library. Anon has to help pick up the pieces
-Flandre h-scene. Which reeks of PROMOTIONS.PNG and awesomeness.
-Anon ends up in Koakuma, cue succubus( I thought we werent going to do, meh) hijinks.
-Patchi buffs Anon so he can last longer against anon.

Protagonist ideas and revisions:

-Suggestion of bringing back the CERN anon, due to the following reason: "Why? Because he is a likable guy who we can sort of relate to, and the LHC gives a reason for accidental arrival, but also keeps him stuck in Gensokyo since it locked up the Border."- Dr Doujin



General route revisions:

-Have anon land somewhere else other than SDM. Perhaps even the Hakurei Shrine thus using some of what we had from the demo.
- Setted a final date: Monday will be judgement day for all. GET READY.


4/28/09

Discussion of the VN structure:
- The structure is placed across a grid-like system with events places on each panel or so. It goes on until you trigger enough "affections" to move on to the next event.

-But doing one over the other may cut down on the period of availability for the next set of events. -Pygmalion
-For example: Example, you have all 6 SDM girls to talk to on the first day. You talk to four of them throughout the course of the day. Great! You unlocked more events with those four. The other two you missed still have a couple days on them before they go away. -Pygmalion

-<DrDoujin> We have a potentially huge project. We have learned painfully that we always try to shoot for too much, and it falls apart by lack of interest or burnout workload. Do we agree on a 2 Day intro which is roughly linear, to introduce all the charcters. It acts as a tech demo, and may pull people in to help.
-tl;dr: Keep it simple, 2 day into, semi-linear to introduce the characters as demo.

- DEADLINE CHANGED TO WENSDAY READ IT FAGETS. 9pm EST. DO IT or GET B&'d.

[Kimeraki]

Photo Album Anon
(In before wall of text)

So it starts out with Anon finding an old photo album while rummaging in the attic. In it, he finds a photo of some people in front of a mansion, who look somehow familiar. Looking through more photos, he sees his family progression, and the first photo was his grandfather. Somewhere in the middle, a note falls out. This note tells about the grandfather doing research on what he describes as a pocket dimension (or something like that), and that he made an important discovery. He fears something may go awry, though, and had everybody leave the mansion except for his maid (Maid? HMM I WONDER), and left this note hidden in the album in case something did happen, so somebody would know why he disappeared. The note has an address on it.

Anon decides (well, one would hope) to go investigate, could offer some initial branches to determine player type, etc. Or not. Anyway, upon arriving at the scene, there's nothing left except a flat grass field with a sinkhole. Not even a foundation, but the ground has depressions where a foundation may have been. The area covers quite a large space, too, and a weed-strewn driveway still remains, but ends in dirt. After searching for a while, there's a shimmering in the air, or an illusion...maybe caused by heat? Anyway, when anon investigates, he passes through a small hole in the border, which immediately seals behind him. he ends up at the feet of a very irritated Sakuya, wondering how in the world a human got into the SDM, and demanding an explanation. Choice-drive Story begins for real from here.
Once in the story, anon can use each girls' abilities/personality to help find it. However, since each girl has her own motivation, the goal is to keep the others from finding out, since this breakthrough could cause chaos for the SDM lifestyle, and potentially cause significant problems. So anon has to help the girl of choice while placating the others so they don't find out/if they do find out.

Now at this point we have two options, centering around grandpa's breakthrough.

1. Grandpa invented a 'bordersaw'(If you don't like that name come up with something better ), basically lets him cut holes in the border to pass through, which immediately self-heal. Unfortunately at one point something went awry, and it cut a huge hole that dropped the entire house into Gensokyo, including its 2 residents.

Character motivations/conflicts for this scenario:
Anon: To get the *$%@ out of here and get back home. Vampire girls? Fireball throwing librarians? Timestopping pad maid with knives?! This is no place for me!!
Conflict: ...These girls are so moe I could die ;_; ..literally.
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Remi: She always wondered where this mansion came from, along with the maid that accompanied it. She's pretty content with how things are, and would rather have the device destroyed after you return home than risk any incidents.
Conflict: Convincing her to allow you to stay. Getting in her good graces. Keeping the device a secret would be especially necessary on this route. Preventing jealousy from other girls as well ("wtf, this guy shows up and suddenly he's hanging with the Mistress like he owns the place?! I think not!")
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Flan: Treasure hunting for a shiny object? Heck yeah! Includes Flan with pirate hat folded by Anon.
Conflict: Flan probably doesn't take to letdowns and frustration well, and might get bored easily. Anon would have to keep her sane AND interested.
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Sakuya: Would like to return "back home" for a nostalgic visit, see how things have changed, how families grew, etc. after which she would return to the SDM, her home. Potentially could include option to convince her to stay on earth, but eh, doubtful.
Conflict: Might not like what she sees, and thus is hesitant about bothering at all. Anon would have to convince her she wouldn't end up depressed after going back.
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Meiling: She would see this as a kindof rebellion. Sneaking out at night, exploring the mansion, doing things she's been forbidden to, and to top it all off leaving Gensokyo entirely for a while. I could potentially see her wanting to stay on Earth just because she'd have more friends, but her sense of loyalty would probably prevent that.
Conflicts: Convincing her the risk is worthwhile. Not getting caught. Not distracting her too much from her duty (could include guest appearances from other regions.) Possibly helping her do her job?
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Patchy: She knows everything about earth...but knows nothing. All her knowledge is from books, but seeing it for real would be extremely interesting to her.
Conflict: Standard physical health issues, sensitivity to light, etc. She'd be very hesitant about going anywhere since she's comfortable staying in the library. Anon would have to help get her outside and used to physical activity and fresh air. Might also need convincing earth is worth seeing in real life.
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Koakuma: Being Patchy's friend and assistant, she'd essentially want to fulfill the goals for Patchy's route. But during the route at some point Patchy finds out, refuses since it'd be too hard on her, and asks Koakuma to go in her stead.
Conflict: This route would be hard mode since Anon would have to focus on Koakuma but also gain Patchy's trust. If he fails in the latter, Patchy just tells her to forget about it and gets really pissed at anon for doing something so sneaky.
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Frisca: Having lived in the SDM her entire life, she doesn't really know anything about Earth other than rumors or gossip she may have heard from the other fairies. As we all know, gossip and rumors tend to be larger than life, so she has some crazy preconceptions about earth and wants to see what it's like. (No fairies? at all?? only humans? That can't be! it must be reeeeeaaaallly boring there.)
Conflict: She's just a Fairy Maid, and has no real power in the SDM. Hanging out with her would require some careful work by Anon so Sakuya doesn't think he's up to no good and KNIFE END him. Could also require clues from other routes to successfully complete, kindof an unlockable route.
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2. This idea is courtesy of Ataisai, and I really like it, so I'm putting it here as part of the photo album anon concept. Grandpa probably didn't invent this item but rather found it and was researching it, when SHTF and he disappeared.

<Ataisai> I'm still thinking about my clockwork Fatecracker idea, so it's probably unimportant. I was thinking, though, that I don't know what the Fatecracker would do. Maybe nothing. But I was thinking Remi would want to destroy it (it doesn't bode well for her and she doesn't like the idea of someone having the ability to nullify her power), Sakuya would want it as an equalizer (an ace up her...
<Ataisai> ...sleeve; insurance for if Remi ever goes nuts) or possibly because she thinks it could turn back time, Flandre would want it because... I dunno, it's pretty and dangerous ("Help me find this toy!")? That needs work. Patchy would want to research it (extrapolating from it a whole bunch of fiddly crazy new magic based on its operating principles), Koakuma would want it 01,01because it's...
<Ataisai> ...hers (what a tweest!), and Frisca would want it because it makes a nice cat toy for her pet cat Mittens. In fact, in Frisca's route, she finds it easily within the first day, and it spends the rest of her route being attached to catnip and a ball of yarn.
<Tetrominon> Multi-topic driftingu: I like that idea for Meiling. Bonus points (?): she doesn't even know what the Fatecracker is or does.
<Ataisai> and the whole sappy moral of the story turns out that it was broken all along BUT YOU NEVER NEEDED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, MEILING; EVERYONE LOVED YOU ALL ALONG! SO IT DID WORK! EXCEPT IT DIDN'T. BUT IT DID, BY LOOKING FOR IT. THE SUBTEXT IS SO WRETCHEDLY SWEET I'M VOMITING RAINBOWS


Just a couple thoughts from me:
-Flan might want to use it so she could control her powers better, and wouldn't have gotten locked up in the basement for so long.

-Frisca route could be very cute, the object is in plain sight of Anon the entire time but he doesn't know it until near the end. Would have to be careful describing it though to prevent anon from getting suspicious, and then frustrated because he can't interact with it.

Fleshing out this second option would be fun, but I wouldn't want to do so by myself, since it's not really my idea.


Feel free to add your own comments/criticisms/enhancements, this is just an idea for a concept we could use, nothing is set in stone. Criticism really is fine, since it helps to determine an idea's weak points and how it can be improved. Thanks!

[Maryn]

4/30/09

General SDM ideas:

-Remi has been lying to the protagonist the whole time about his inability to go back. There has been a way back the whole time, the protagonist sorts things out, his feelings of betrayal, the trust of Remilia, all that good stuffs.

-Agreed on character personality:
-Remi is whimsical/playful but with a sort of dark control freak streak. Flan is childish but deep down an adult, Meiling is nice and looks up to Sakuya, Sakuya is goaled at being proper but not overtly mean like in SDMLA, Koakuma is...well SDMLA, Patchi is bookish and uninterested at first.

-Possibly have Anon "dead" and arrive at SDM as one of Remilia's "meals". Anon wakes up. Remi tells him, "You're supposed to be dead. Get back down." Which could explain why Remi has no control over his fate what so ever. Since he's techincally "dead". This arouses Remi's control Freak in her.

-We can have him suffer all three fate. Which are...
1. They draw an initial blood sample to determine if he's a viable source or not.
2. Then while recovering Sakuya puts him to work doing minor tasks.
3. During that time, Flan wanders by and tries to 'adopt' him as a pet.

5/5/09

General SDM Route

-Dying Sakuya is Remi-Sakuya route, triggered by whatever from Anon hanging around Sakuya too much (we are working on that, red string of fate, etc etc). Anon hits a flag which allows for Patchi to work on a spell to help heal/renew Sakuya, but it fuckes with Gensokyo and Reimu busts. Anon could fight her, but will pretty much always lose.

-Spell fails, and if Anon hit some flag to know of a life transfer spell, he takes the few moments Sakuya has left (failed spell fucked her up moreso) and transfers part of his life to her. Anon and Sakuya live together for oh 40 more years on the donated life and it is a good end.

-Other ends include Remi taking Sakuya as a thrall, which reduces her to a normal maid and perhaps more (don't want it to be too easy) since she can't use the lunar dial. another is making sakuya a vampire, which as mixed reviews. true end would likely be sakuya dying alot because she and remi would be too tempted to 'turn' her when near death.

-Question is.. how can we contain this to just Sakuya's route without overpowering the others? Patchouli is already providing some effort...

[NomDePlume]

I didn't have time to finish a summary, but here's a copy of the chat. I forgot to actually log the channel so it's not a nice text file, but it's readable. I'll try to get the summary done in the next few days.

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[Maryn]

March 31st-

-Finalized Sakuya Route and prepped for Demo
-Finishing up Meiling, discussing possible conflicts, upbringing?

[NomDePlume]

Log for 15-4-11. One idea for a Patchouli route--SDM going on an Adventure--was put forth.

Talked a bit about thematic unity in the VN. Some doubt about how much pie is left for Remilia and Flandre if we continue to work the 'change' angle.

Some concerns raised about the inputs, control, and editorial direction of potential writers. Preference for reasonable writer discretion shown, perhaps with consultation and editorial oversight by other writers.

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 _touhouvn.2011_04_15.log (18.32 kb)

[NomDePlume]

Log for 17-4-11

Extrapolated on Patchouli route. Patchouli is too focused on her goals and does not stop to enjoy life. It is not healthy. When SDM goes on an Adventure, Patchouli has to take the scenic route, and gets time to stop and smell the roses.

Talked a bit about characterisation. Patchouli considers herself an academic and proud of it. She gives advice freely but is very blunt, preferring truth delivered directly and without ornament. When her patience wears thin (which happens quickly with the less learned), she becomes somewhat snarky.

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